[inaudible conversations] >> john mccain's 2000 campaign when he ran for president as the most memorable campaign of any that i have ever covered or been around. i mean it was just -- we will never see it again and here he was facing george w. bush to head off of face cards of the republican party backing him in the three republican governors of new hampshire and all the money and john mccain went out and held 114 town meetings. he stayed there until every question was answered. you would see the lightbulbs going off on people's heads. when will we get the patients bill of rights and john mccain would say we will never get a patients bill of rights as long as my party is on by the insurance company and the democrats are on by the trial lawyers. and it was just this refreshing candor and you could see it in people's responses. he. he was totally open to the press there was a candor and an openness and a welcome this that no one had seen before and no si. now secretary of state hillary clinton on the u.s. role in the world. she was at the council on foreign relations today for an hour and